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6 Ways To Simplify Your Training With Steve Jones (article)

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:32 pm
by TexNav
An article I really enjoyed reading, with many points not at all dissimilar to many of Tom's recommendations.

http://running.competitor.com/2014/03/t ... ones_96859

It's about a year old, so not exactly new, but I don't think it's been mentioned here.

Re: 6 Ways To Simplify Your Training With Steve Jones (artic

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:56 am
by dilluh
Pretty good article though I think caution is needed on the first step (Stop The Clock). For some runners, particularly new ones, going “hard” in a workout or doing a “tempo” run typically means they’re going to end up in a highly anaerobic state. For some who have been coached or have made many mistakes in their early years as a runner only to finally learn from them (like me!), ideas of “hard” and “tempo” are more restrained now because they have ample experience working within pace guidelines. I am currently running about half the mileage as I used to due to having a 2 month old at home. Even on minimal mileage (it's consistent at least) I still know what a tempo run should feel like effort-wise. Not surprisingly, it’s considerably slower than it was pre-child but I’ve been working within Tinman’s principles for quite a while to have a good internal reference for what easy tempo, tempo, LT and CV are. I’ve also considered what I could conservatively race for a 5k right now and calculate all of those paces and I bet I’m quite close to my internal reference.

I think going without a watch can be a great idea as some people get a major mental block from being obsessed with the exact numbers. As long as you keep in mind other key principles such as consistency (pointed out in the article), training to how you feel that day and ‘keeping the ball rolling’ (both Tinman ideas).

Re: 6 Ways To Simplify Your Training With Steve Jones (artic

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:47 am
by dkggpeters
I like the article but found a few items which can and have gotten me in trouble in the past:

[shadow]“Running by feel and effort is much more important than running by the pace of a [GPS] watch,” McCandless says. “I think if more people did workouts without knowing the pace they were running instantaneously, they would end up running faster because they wouldn’t have the self-imposed restrictions.”

When you run without a stopwatch, you learn how to evaluate how you’re feeling without a device telling you otherwise. Longtime University of Colorado cross-country and track coach Mark Wetmore calls this “sensory data.”


Read more at http://running.competitor.com/2014/03/t ... Q7ViM1D.99[/shadow]

I agree with the above to a point. Lately, I don't look at my pace on tempo runs or MP based sessions and try and go by feel. I do look at HR though as it can be easy to get carried away and over run a session. I know if my HR gets over 155 then I am over running the tempo. If it is over 150/152 then I am over running a MP session. I could do a 10 mile MP session and if I ran it at 155 HR, then I am really just kidding myself.

[shadow“Learn to hurt in workouts,” Jones says, “and you’ll be able to hurt more in races.”

In some workouts, Jones’ instructions include six words: “Hands on knees in the end.” Translation: This will be a really hard workout.

The idea of going out too hard in some workouts is in building yourself back up afterward and gaining the confidence to do the same in races. You can’t do anything in a race you haven’t practiced first, so it’s important to play with fire in some workouts and know what it feels like to get burned. You might fall to pieces and barely finish the workout, or you might surprise yourself and destroy the limits you previously thought existed. You’ll never know until you try, and Jones believes in testing your limits throughout the year.


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Being an older masters runner (51 years old), one workout that causes me to fall to pieces can derail my training really fast and force me to not do any quality workouts for a week or week and a half. If you can recover from such a workout then it is find, but if recovery becomes an issue, then I disagree with the above. I would rather get in 3 workouts at a lower intensity then 1 that drives me into the ground. The 3 workouts will build my confidence and the 1 workout will deflate it as I will fail on future quality workouts.