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Andrew Duncan

Post by Tinman » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:48 pm

Congratulations to Andrew Duncan. He won the USATF indoor Masters 3,000m and 1-mile.  This is the third year in a row he won the indoor 3000m. The races were in Albuquerque, NM. He said the 1-mile race was tactical and slow until he kicked the last 400m in 61 seconds.

http://www.usatf.org/events/2011/USAMas ... etowns.asp

Way to go Andrew! I am happy for you.

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Re: Andrew Duncan

Post by TexNav » Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:11 pm

Nice !.....Super Impressive

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Post by incarnadine » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:20 am

Awesome!

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Re: Andrew Duncan

Post by incarnadine » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:23 am

You said he ran 8:40-something at the Arsenal, yes?

It's too bad the 3k didn't have a field to push him a bit, though I suppose it let him save his energy for the mile.

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Re: Andrew Duncan

Post by ap4305 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:10 am

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He said the 1-mile race was tactical and slow until he kicked the last 400m in 61 seconds.
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Surely the result of countless knee-buckling track sessions...with a slow pace he obviously didn't need much stamina to unleash a finishing kick... ;)

Seriously though, what a great accomplishment.  Winning championships gets even harder when you are a marked man.   
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Re: Andrew Duncan

Post by Tinman » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:53 pm

The guy Andrew beat by 2 seconds (in the last 400m, essentially) ran 4:23 in the mile a couple of weeks ago, so Andrew's slow time of 4:46 was not an indication of where Andrew's fitness really is. Andrew ran 4:26 in the mile, last year, and placed third, which was the day after he won the 3000m. I believe Andrew was in 4:22-21 shape this year, for the mile at nearly age 44. 

Yes, Andrew ran 8:49.2 for 3000m at the Armory a couple of weeks ago in New York.

Next up is a local 5km race (in Vegas) and then a 1 mile race the following week. After that is the famous Carlsbad 5km road-race in California, where the top dogs duke it out.

Other races follow Carlsbad, too.

In reply to AP, who was joking, Andrew's 61-second last 400m in the mile at the Masters Indoor Nationals this past week was not due to hard track sessions (as AP knows). It was 95% about stamina - great stamina build by tempos and CV reps and mileage. Andrew did some short, quick reps at the end of Tempos or CV's, though, and a handful of 3km pace workouts in fartlek form. The key is the proper blend of workouts, and waiting until the right moment to employ faster workouts - like 3km speed. Otherwise, it's a waste!  And, all the while employing faster workouts one must understand how to retain well-developed stamina.

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Re: Andrew Duncan

Post by incarnadine » Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:34 pm

I'm sure this is a ridiculously naive question from someone who really hasn't run a real track race, but if Andrew and the guy who came second are both capable of mid- to low-4:20s mile times then how did the race end up being run so conservatively? Couldn't either (or both) the two of them put a half a lap on the field pretty easily, rather than allow the race to come down to the last quarter?

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Re: Andrew Duncan

Post by Tinman » Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:50 pm

The race was at over 5,300 feet elevation, so none of the "low-landers' wanted to push the pace. Andrew knew he was fit and he has a great kick, so he waited until he needed to use it. His kick is great because he has good leg speed, in addition to excellent stamina, which allows him to feel fresher than most runners when it's time to use a kick. Andrew wasn't at the Masters Nationals meet to run fast times; he was there to win the two races he entered; and that's what he did.

Think of it this way: would you rather be Alan Webb and be the American record holder in the mile, yet never win a medal at any World Championships or Olympic Games or be the gold medalist at either event? Records come and go, but victories last forever! Besides, if Andrew decides to run a fast time he can do it at a non-championship race. The two metrics - fast times or victories - should probably be done at different events/races.

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